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tough. >> one tough lady. >> thank you, guys, that's it for "special report," i'll see you back 11:00 eastern time for fox news at night. "the story" hosted by march that maccallum. >> martha: thank you. tonight, we take you live to annapolis, maryland where a vigil is about to get under way as a shaken community mourns the loss of these five people. and we learn chilling new details about the killer as police confirm that he barricaded the building's back door shooting at least one victim as they tried to get out. we have also learned tonight the newspaper former executive director says this was not wholly unexpected. >> i took a photo of mr. ramos who i never met, went up to the front desk and be on the lookout for this guy. if he comes in dial 911. >> the president addressing the killings a short time ago.
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>>. >> president trump: this attack shocked the conscience much our nation and filled our hearts with grief. journalists like all americans should be free from the fear of being violently attacked while doing their job. >> martha: leah gabriel is live in annapolis maryland, where the vigil is getting under way. good evening, rehah. >> good evening. a judge at annapolis ordered 38-year-old jarrod ramos to be held in jail on five counts of first degree murder. police say he used a legally purchased pump action shotgun to shoot out a glass entrance before going inside and killing four journalists a and sales assistant. earlier today the state district attorney describing the scene inside that newsroom. >> mr. ramos is alleged to have executed a brutal series of attacks on innocent victims.
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the evidence that suggested a coordinated attack, the barricading of the back door, and the use of a tactical approach and hunting down and shooting the innocent victims in this case. >> police say ramos had not been cooperating today as they try to get answers for why. we know he had a long-standing dispute with the capitol gazette, starting in 2011 when a columnist wrote about a criminal harassment case against ramos. he sued the column nirnt and the editor and publisher for defamation but his case was dismissed. the capitol says the former editor said, quote, i remember telling our attorneys, this is a guy who is going to come and shoot us. three editors, a reporter, and a sales assistant were killed in the thursday afternoon rampage. one of those was 65-year-old mother of four wendy winters. her daughter telling reporters today, that she loved what she
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did. >> she really liked what she did and who she worked with. she loved her job. and she loved what she did, and she loved to tell stories. and this is far too soon to lose my mother. >> the community has been coming together here in annapolis today to show their solidarity. the paper showing its resillens by putting out a paper reporting on the tragedy. there are a number of services, a number of vigils being held here at annapolis tonight, one started right here by the anap miss mall moments ago. >> martha: thank you, we'll keep all of them in our minds this evening, what a tough time for the families of the president offering support to the people of annapolis. this afternoon he boarded air force one, heading to their
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summer home in bed minister, new mexico. reports tonight indicate that he is using this get-away to interview supreme court candidates. all as he celebrates the six-month anniversary of his historic tax cut plan. rumors are swirling about his chief of staff potentially making an exit. here to talk about what a week for the trump white house and so many ways, anthony scaramucci, former white house communications director and founder of skycap tall. what there is a lot. >> all of our hearts go out to the families. unspeakable tragedy. but at the same time, you have to admire the resilience of all of these people, put the paper out, too. this is an amazingly sad story. a lot of resilience. >> martha: indeed it is. so much discussion about journalism and fake news, a reuters editor had to issue an apology, he made a horrible remark initially after citing
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some blame for the president, which is just awful. i mean before anybody knew anything about the circumstances here. that's kind of the world that we live in, unfortunately. >> the world we live n but i think we have to try to figure out how we're going to reduce the shootings. it's not even a left or right decision any more, it's just what are the right or wrong policies to put in place to see if we can get a reduction in the shootings. for me it's obviously a mental health issue. you look at the personnd with what people were saying about the person, you have to work on the signalling on this stuff and get it right. >> martha: when you have an editor who has dpechb a picture to the security guy there needs to be a way to draw a circumstance ail round that person and make sure that that is -- those red flags go up before something like this happens. >> politicizing it is not going to help the situation. bringing the president into the orbit of the thing is not fair to the president, also not fair to the situation. and so i'm glad that guy walked it back. >> martha: some of what happened this week, obviously news that a
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lot of people were not expecting, justice anthony kennedy stepping down from the bench. the president has said that he's going to have his nominee ready by july 9 which is a week from monday. a short time frame. he says he has five people in mind, two women. do you know who he's going to pick? >> i don't 100% know who he's going to pick. i know the family seems to be close to a few of these guys. we will to have see what happens. the president picked a great jurist last time, justice gore sich is a phenomenal jurist. he'll pick a phenomenal jurist this time. people should relax for a second and give him the opportunity to pick somebody before they start digging trenches again. so this is sort of weird, i was thinking about justice ska lea, he was 9 -- justice scalia 97-0 oi painted to the supreme court. we're where it goes down the partisan lines. to go into the nuclear option
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for this situation. when you think about the quality of the people that the president is going to pick from and interview, they're all exceptional americans, exceptional people. i hope we can dial it back a little on the politics. >> martha: in terms of the white house, the chief of staff yesterday made comments, kellyanne conway came out, we have no indication john kelly is leaving the white house. tonight it sounds like the president opened the door. >> it's the president's choice. chief of staff kelly wants to leave he can leave voluntarily. it's going to be up to the two of them. we can speculate about that. but -- hm i think -- >> i'm not in love with the leaking. you know, john kelly deserves the opportunity to have that conversation the president. and it deserves to stay inside of that circle. i find it ironic that every time something super sensitive is happening, one way or the other,
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it ends up dispersing from the white house in a ridiculous, anonymous way. >> martha: a lot of people like to talk. >> yes. anonymously. they run out, get their cell phone out of the locker, run the outside, and they, like, chiter-chattering. it's not fair. i have had issues with general kelly in the past, he has issues with me. but i think he's owed right expect, frankly, of having that conversation with the president. he's been a decorated veteran, he served his country well, and should be able to leave gracefully. >> martha: i want to play something for you. watch the contrast between what president trump said yesterday when when he was at fox-con in wisconsin, and what some of his critics are saying about what they hope will happen to the economy. watch this. >> president trump: america is open for business more than it has ever been open for business. made in the usa, it's all happening and it's happening very, very quickly. >> if a recession hits.
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>> you think that's where the bo on the many falls out? >> i they so. >> i feel like the bottom has to fall out. i'm hoping for it. one way you get rid of trump is crashing economy. >> martha: hoping for recession. hoping for recession. . that is all part of the derangement that people talk about. the same thing that got the reuters editor in trouble. they just severely dislike the president. some of it is related to his style. really not related to the policies. i challenge, i'm sure i'll get lit up on twitter, but challenge to you come up with one policy over the last 17 or 18 months that the president has prom you will dpalted that led to a disruption in your life or lower living standard or disavow of your standard. there hasn't been any. obviously the economy does fall, there will be an issue for all politicians and issue for all companies in america. that will be a lot of pain. i really wish bill didn't say that. having said that, the very good news the policies have been fantastic. the stimulus is fantastic, the
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tax cuts they were celebrating earlier today. you will see maybe a 4.5, 5% print on gdp for the second quarter. the economists at skybridge think we have a good, ak sell rated quarterly growth going into the end of the year. >> martha: and the president, let's play this, with maria. watch this. >> we've seen the impact to the economy. what do you want today happen now, does the economy need more stimulus, are you looking for phase two? >> president trump: we're doing a phase two, we will be doing it in october, maybe a little sooner than that. and it will be more of a middle class. we did a lot for the middle class but this is aimed more at the middle class. bringing the 21% down to 20. for the most part the rest goes to the middle class. it's a great stimulus. >> martha: which tax cut 21 to 20? >> that's the corporate tax cut, maybe bringing it down to 20. which means probably will happen.
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here's the great thing about him, and this will ultimately be his legacy. he recognizes that he has to close the gap here in terms of income spread. and helping middle class families and lower middle class families on the campaign that was his pledge. it's policies like that free market based in their orientation that get that done more than any other policy. >> martha: do you think that's an offset for the trade issues, if you lower corporate tax rates further is that an incentive for companies like harley-davidson, for example, to change their mind? >> on the margin. they're jumping the gun on the president, missizing his negotiation strategy. he's asking them to be patient. those allies of ours, also the chinese, know that the trade situation is unbalanced. they know he's using that as a cudgeol to bring it down. i call on all corporations to give the president a little bit of time to watch him work this thing, the way he worked the north korean situation. for me, by the end of the year,
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my guess is he's very close on nafta, he's very close on negotiating something with the eu. and i think it's going to be good news for everybody. >> martha: big week for mexico, big election. >> happy 4th. >> martha: to you, too. a heated political battle brewing over the next supreme court justice. >> this is perhaps in both of our lifetimes, the biggest shift possible in the court. this could be a moment as donald trump has said up and down i will put judges that will overturn roe on the court. >> martha: jonathan turley on the brand new details the president's plan to replace anthony kennedy and how far will some activists go to stop the president? michael moore suggesting that it might be time to put our bodies on the line. >> when you read the paper every day, you watch the news, do you ever cry? do you ever cheer up does this every happen to you? happens to me every day. [music playing] (vo) from the beginning,
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>> martha: the president plans to name the no lee before he leaves for europe on july 10. we think we'll hear before july 9. jonathan turley, constitutional law attorney, georgetown west professor. >> good to see you. >> martha: first of all, he spoke with maria and she asked him are you going to want to know from this potential justice where they stand on roe v. wade and whether or not they would overturn. he's didn't think he would get specific about that in his discussions with the potential justices. do you think about that? >> it's circumspection and restraint which is reassuring in the president. he deals with the cards face outward. that's been a liability in the past. here he's playing this very smart.
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not asking those type of litmus questions. if he does, the witness will have to address that. the fact is, there's lots of ways to figure out where some one else on an issue like roe v. wade. many of the people on the list of 25 are very familiar to people in d.c. many of them come to conferences and their views are fairly well known. so you don't have to ask the question. i think what the president also knows, is that he promised to put two or more pro-life justices on the court. if this justice doesn't prove to be pro-life, it could come back to haunt him during the next presidential campaign. and so, i suspect this will be on his mind. >> martha: i suspect it will, too. the optics could matter, headline in politico, president trump judged to pick a woman. he said that two of the five he's considering are women. is that important or not?
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>> well i'm some one who long criticized the selection of justices for the optics. i think they should be selected entirely on the basis of their intellectual contribution to the court. i testified at neil gorsuch's confirmation hearing in the senate and testified in his favor. i believed that he's an intellectual of the first order. even if you disagree with his conclusions. that is, in fact, the model we should choose. it doesn't matter what sex or race or religion that person is. this is a court of nine. it is an honor to hold one of those seats. it shouldn't be given to you on optics. >> martha: certainly is. it should be based on qualifications and the way you approach the constitution and whether or not that matches up with the way the person who's nominating you, the president in this case, feels about it. july 9, i mean that's a quick turnaround. i mean obviously there's a lot of political pressure to get moving on this. >> yeah, this is a nascar pace.
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it is a very fast turnaround. look, the republicans don't want to be xwar land. -- garland. they invented that strategy, it worked well for them. they're not going to hand it over to the democrats. they'll push the nominee through before the mid-term elections. now, that means that they're going to have to be careful f you make a vetting mistake and you have to change courses, it doesn't give you a lot of time. that's why they're cutting it short. >> martha: like harriet meyers. jonathan turley, thank you so much. >> thank you. >> martha: coming up tonight, kim jong-un gave his word that the remains of u.s. servicemen killed in korea would be sent home. these families are elated. but they're still waiting and they want to know what's happening. but first, senator kristin gillibrand is sure none of her fellow democrats will vote for the president's pick for the court this time because they didn't last time. our group coming up next. let your inner light loose
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happen to you? >> sure, of course. >> right, it happens to me, now, every day. >> martha: sure, of course. that was michael moore bemoaning the state of the country. he went on to say this about president trump. >> when are people going to get off the couch and when are we going to rise up? trump isn't going to leave. he plans to be re-elected. he loves the term president for life. the only way that we're going to stop this is eventually put our bodies on the line. >> martha: wow, okay. joining me on that and other hot topics is my panel, tom, cat and our own ed henry, chief national correspondent. tom, he cries, sometimes. >> yeah. >> martha: when he's watching the news. you do, too. >> definitely, definitely. [laughing] >> but he's telling me to get off the couch. michael moore is telling me to get off the couch. [laughing] kind of weird.
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>> martha: true. >> but he says -- >> martha: he admit heed was sitting on the couch watching news crying. >> but me wants us to put our bodies on the line. michael moore, wants bodies on the line, we need a wall, am i the only one -- putting two and two together? >> i felt like i knew where you were going. body blocker. >> martha: a lot of images going through my head of michael moore on the couch putting his body on the loin. cat? >> i think that if you are crying every day watching the news, then that is a "you" problem. that's not the way things are going problem. i watch a lot of news and i manage to cry about other things rather than the news. i don't think we should be taking advice from somebody who is so irrationally emotional about nothing. over and over again a lot of super anti-trump people say we need to rise up. this is awful. everything is awful. end of the world. and i keep waking up every morning with everything being kind of fine. sometimes even, you know, kind
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of nice. so i think that maybe he should take a bath, candles, relax. it can help me sometimes. >> candles are good. >> maybe fragrance. he's a little too high strung. >> martha: i think you're on to something. >> i have been spending a lot of time, martha, trying to get in touch with my emotions. it's been a long journey. what is going on in this country. when people say this stuff. it's like, i honestly think on election night when we su all those people at the javitz center waiting for hillary clinton and they were trying and you had the people in the obama administration waiting for president obama to comment, they had long faces. they've spent a lot of democrats a year and a half emoting about things and kicking sarah sanders out of a restaurant and doing ridiculous things. this week, it's funny that michael moore's interview, it's like things finally got real.
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democrats have spent a year and a half on russia and everything else. when you had the supreme court decisions which showed actually travel ban is going to stick. by the way, justice kennedy is stepping down. and president trump is actually president. even though you don't want to ak nl it. >> martha: that was the thing michael moore, he said he plans on being president, again. i was like, that's not how it, would. you have to run. you have to be elected. he plans on doing it again. for another four years. >> i thought, you know, love to talk about being president for life. unfortunately that's not the way it works in the country. and i often feel, i understand the tears on election night, they were shocked. things did not go the way they thought it would go. at some point there has to be an accounting for real changes, actual things happening. and i think the situation at the border is a real situation. you can talk about whether or not it existed, in a similar way, last administration. but some of these realities really came home to roost this
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week, especially with the supreme court decision. kristin gillibrand is sure that all democrats will vote against the new nominee just as they did last time, with gorsuch. watch this. >> are you right that he didn't get one vote, didn't he get three, didn't he get -- nompblts democratic votes. >> manchin, heitkamp? >> he did not. they stood strong strong and passed with it republican votes. >> i thought he got three. >> you might be right, chris, but i believe the democratic caucus will stand together. >> obviously not there. >> we neededted jeopardy sound. wrong. it was three. >> martha: now we're looking at collective outrage and a lot of plans to try and figure out some way to prevent this nominee from happening. yet it looks pretty difficult. again, you have to go back into fact land and look how it works and how it goes.
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they will have a tough time. >> yes, it's sad. i think the president gets his pick, that's what happens. the president picks, and unless there's something wrong with the person i grew up, when i was in college, it was bourque, this was the big thing. first big fight. they've been fighting ever since. clarence thomas, it becomes this big thing. >> martha: kennedy was approved 90-0. that will never happen again. >> 1988. which was a presidential election year. so guess what. both parties came together and said ronald reagan found a way out, he's president, and george h.w. bush ended up winning. maybe they thought he would shape the court. you win, you get to shape the court a lot of democrats, a year and a half ago, didn't get that, like, this was real. and donald trump was going to govern. >> martha: it's sinking in. you know what else is sinking in, bad reality as a result of a jimmy john's delivery. so this young woman thinks she's going to do something nice for
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her boyfriend, only dating three months, going to send him jimmy john's, he's studying finals. she said i live far away but i'm sending something over. the delivery guy delivers it. and when he gets there, he finds an unfortunate set of circumstances playing out in the home. and this is what she tweeted after. i promise i'll fill in the blanks. look at the tweet. she says, i do want to thank jimmy john's for their incredible service to their customers. not many would do what that delivery driver did. i'm grateful that he called me and was honest about the situation. tom, it turns out that when the guy delivered the sandwich there was some other girl at the apartment, and her supposedly studying boyfriend for finals was boxers only at this point. >> yeah. >> martha: so the jimmy john's delivery guy took it upon himself to call her. >> he narced. >> he told about the cheating boyfriend. it's great.
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you can't cheat on your girlfriend, especially, this woman, there's a think called guy code. guys are supposed to stick together. i don't stick together with this guy. if you had a girlfriend who is sending you submarine sandwiches, you keep that g i recall friend, you don't cheat on her. >> i wish there was jimmy john's in new york city. ever since i read this story, all can i think about is jimmy john's. there are no jimmy john's. they bring you sandwiches and they tell you if your boy friend is cheating on you. that's not a restaurant, that's a best friend forever. >> martha: the problem is that we are all so infiltrated into other people's lives. i think through social media. oh, i know them on twitter, facebook. this is none of your business mr. delivery boy. drop the sandwich, and leave. >> it's like the elective device. i started hearing, they're spying on you, listening to conversations, people push the wrong button. there is a jimmy john's like a block from the white house, i'm
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sorry you don't have it in new york. go there between live shots. the tuna country club sandwich. >> i don't have jimmy john's around, or a boyfriend. >> martha: but you're not crying on the couch every day. >> no. >> martha: thanks, good to see, happy 49sdz of july, have a great week. coming up next, there is news breaking in the biggest sports scandal in the united states history. texas prosecutors have now come to a decision about the karolyis. these families have waited for the remains of their loved ones for 65 years. now they're waiting for kim jong-un to make good on his word. their story next. >> i am optimistic that we will begin to have two opportunities, one to receive some remains in the not too distant future. greatness of an suv? is it to carry cargo... or to carry on a legacy? its show of strength...
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>> martha: there will be no charged for bella and marta karolyi. texas prosecutors announce they did not find wrongdoing by the couple in connection with the larry nassar sex scandal. some called on texas to investigate why marta karolyi knew what she knew about nassar's abuse while they trained at the karolyi ranch, the ucla olympic training center. the karolyis maintained they did not know what was going on. texas prosecutors filed new charges of sexual abuse against nas sachlt ar who is in prison on charges for the rest of his life. >> i am optimistic that we will begin to have two opportunities, one is to receive some remains in the not too distant future. we're dogged in trying to facilitate as quickly as we can. >> thank you, i appreciate that. and just to be clear, we have
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not yet received any -- >> correct, snorp. we have not physically received them. >> martha: secretary of state mike pompeo delivering the update this week. no remains of u.s. troops returned yet from north korea. around 7700 u.s. troops are still unaccounted for from the korean war. but pompeo is optimistic about president trumped agreement with kim jong-un to bring the nation's heros home. family members are still holding out hope that they will be reunited with their loved ones. we follow up with two of the families who joined us before. first lt. robert schmidt fought forward through the most brutal battle of the korean war but sadly never returned. and captain john henry zimmerly went out on a night mission in korea but his plane disappeared and only questions remained. here, now, their family members, still fighting to bring them home. joan morris is the niece of
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first lt. robert schmidt. john zimmerly is the son of captain zimmerly. we have so much feedback from your stories, and i think people want so much for you to have the circle closed on what this situation has brought to your families. joan, let me start with you, remind us, about your uncle bobby's service. >> well, uncle bobby served in world war ii for over three years. then he came back to north dakota and graduated with an rotc degree and became an army officer. and he was stationed in japan, then he went to korea. and he was killed at the reservoir on december 1, 1950. >> martha: john, your dad? >> yes, my father was an air force navigator, went out on a small plane on a night mission in march of 1952, radio communication around 9:00 p.m.
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and that's the last we heard from him. no one knows whether they crashed into a mountain, shot down, whether they were taken captive. no one really knows. there are some documents that give us hints that some of them may have been in captivity. but even that is not positive evidence. >> martha: joan, you know, obviously these are difficult circumstances and you heard secretary pompeo say they're committed to bringing them back. what we know about some of the grave yards that were used and some of the situations. how difficult do you think it will be to see this through? >> well, i think it will be very difficult. one end, you're dealing with the north korean government, even though it's humanitarian type of issue. in the past, the return of your soldier's remains as a bargaining chip with the united states. the other issue that i'm very worried about is the department of defense and their capabilities, their competent,
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and the overall direction they're using as far as identifying the remains. and i say that, because some of the remains were returned over 20 years ago and haven't been identified. the department of defense is not using updated dna technology. they're using very expensive technology that takes four to five months for a test result to come in. where if they were using nuclear dna technology the test results would come in within a week. they're ten times less expensive than the dna test they're using now. and they have a higher degree of accuracy as far as identifying the particular soldiers. >> martha: yeah. john, you share that concern, i know. in terms of the response from the d.o.d. and exactly where these remains are. some of them are in u.s. territory. >> yes. in fact, the dpaa announced they made an identification of a
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person who was of unidentified remains, buried in hawaiian cemetery for 65 years. that remains was tentatively associated with this particular individual. it took them 60 years to even read the document. they dug him up four years ago from the cemetery. and just now, four years later, are identifying him with the micro -- the mitochondrial dna joan is referring to, which is really antiquated. >> martha: so much is about the war getting the respect that it deserves. is that part of what drives you, in your missiontor your family? >> yes. sorry. >> martha: go ahead, joan. >> i don't think it's the overall view of the war. i think it's a very personal type of issue for our family. my grandmother was very concerned about the fact that my uncle did not have a proper burial. and when she moved, she sent
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letters to the department of defense indicating her new address and was there any updates or anything like that. so i think we take it personally, this is something that since that generation has gone, we're the ones that hopefully will bring uncle bobby home and have a proper burial. >> martha: john, quick thoughts on that? . yes, we feel that our government has not shared all of the information they have with us over all of these years. this is an opportunity for the media to put pressure on the government to release a lot of that information and a 4r069 details on the remains. >> martha: we'll stay on your story, hope you come back, and thanks to both of you. thank you very much for being here. >> thank you. >> martha: controversial conservative commentator moan in a serron says feminism got it wrong, telling women in america to wake up.
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said that anything that was the male model was the thing that women had to be. >> right. >> and instead of saying, no, the female model is a great model.
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>> martha: my next guest is no stranger to controversy, her speaking at cpac earlier this year a couple of comments even drew boos from the crowd that day. that has not stopped mona cherren calling out what she sees as blatant hypocrisy in both parties. tonight she has a new book that targets in part the "me too" movement and modern day memnism. she believes the movement has lost its way. earlier this week i sat down with moan ta in a, the author of "sex matters" how modern memnism lost touch with science, love, and common sense. fascinating. and, really, you're pushing back on very sort of uniformly accepted norms about how feminism is supposed to be empowering to women. it's supposed to be pro woman. in some ways it was. the point of my book, memnism took a couple of really devastating wrong turns. one was in embracing the sexual
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revolution. the other was in rejecting family life as a trap for women. instead what we found, this has had 50 years of experience with modern memnism. what we have seen is families are disintegrating, women are struggling, single women struggling to do everything themselves. men are disconnected from their families and sometimes even from the workforce. it's time to rethink some of the assumptions that got us here. >> martha: one. things you say, is that you see declining female happiness. >> it's really interesting f you look at the general social survey, they started asking questions in 1972, how happy are you, and what they noticed is that every year since, women have been less happy and men have gotten more happy. if the feminist movement with all of its achievements were supposed to be the answer for women's happiness you wouldn't expect to see that help are happier than women and women's happiness has steady in declined. i think a lot of it is about how
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insecure modern women are. they don't have the structure of marriage, family, that security that women need because we are the ones that have babies and we do need to be taken care of when we're in those vulnerable stages of our lives. >> martha: are you a very independent woman, you have had a big career, very successful career, married, you have children. some people say that is difficult to have it all. >> right. as we -- the line i always repeat, is you can't have it all -- you can have it all but not all at once. also, i kind of reject this whole notion of having it all. because first of all we don't know what "it" is. "it" doesn't necessarily mean you have 2.5 kids and x number of -- the huge income and great career. "it" may mean having a fulfilled and happy and balanced life. and if that's your goal, then you definitely want to place family security right at the
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center of your life plan. instead of something you hope will come along later. that applies to men as well as women. >> martha: very important to get to the "me too" movement and how we got here. how did during the empowerment phase of women in this country, did we find ourselves falling prey to these awful situations with men? >> right. so in some ways i think the "me too" movement is good, it's women saying i have had enough, it's almost you could interpret it as a rejection of the sexual revolution that the feminist unwisely endorsed in the 1970s and since then. but the fact is, that by endorsing the sexual revolution and agreeing that we drop the old standards how men should behave, what it meant to be a gentleman, that we kind of open the door to this kind of loudish, gross behavior that we have seen in so many men. and if women are pushing back
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against it, great. but they should understand the feminism bears some part of the responsibility for how we got here. that when they said, of course we don't want any particular sensitivity by men. we don't want you to hold doors. we don't want you to be gentlemen. that's con descending. well the are the is men didn't know how to behave. some of them became gentlemen. >> martha: what about dating and flirting and how difficult those things become now in this environment where men in some cases who don't want to get sucked into trouble feel like they just can't -- >> exactly. >> martha: -- be themselves. they have trouble knowing what the parameters are. >> we need to return to some basic rules about behavior. one of them is, if you're married you absolutely shouldn't be looking or touching anybody who isn't your spouse. but also, you know, just basic things like so many of these
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women who came forward with the "me too" movement, were saying they went to harvey weinstein's hotel room for a business meeting. they didn't know that's something you shouldn't do. that should be just part of the rules. there's never a reason for a male boss to ask a woman to come to his hotel room for a business meeting. women should be empowered, really empowered, right, to say not happening. not appropriate. >> martha: exactly, to send that signal clearly, if you are interested in a professional relationship, if that's not what this is, that's it. to lay down that marker. mona, there's so much more to talk b i encourage everybody to read your book, it's fascinating, going to be controversial, no doubt, as you often are. and we're so glad you came here first, great to see you. >> thank you. >> martha: good luck. >> thank you. >> martha: so when we come back, remembering the five victims of yesterday's shooting at the capitol gazette newspaper in
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>> martha: finally tonight we want to pay tribute to the five people killed in yesterday's attack at the "capital gazette" newspaper in maryland. despite the trauma and the loss, the paper put out an edition today. the victims have been identified as rob hiaasen assistant editor and columnist. wendi winters the special publications editor. gerald fischman, editorial editor. rebecca smith, sales assistant. and writer john mcnamara. inside they left the opinion page blank writing only this --" "today we are speechless. this page is intentionally left blank to commemorate those victims at the shooting at our office. tomorrow the page will return to the steady purpose to offer informed opinions about the world around them that they
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might be bert citizens." our thoughts and prayers are with the "capital gazette" staff and their families tonight. that is our story. tucker is up next. ♪ >> tucker: good evening. welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." for centuries america fought crime by hiring police. now democrats have a new plan. fire the police and redefine law-breaking as an act of virtue. if there is no enforcement, there is no crime. well, shocking speed that this has become normal on the left to demand the abolition of i.c.e. and the 20,000 agents that work there and enforce the immigration laws. a few weeks ago it was only a few activists on the far left calling for this. then this week on tuesday, congressional candidate alexandria ocasio-cortez won a democratic primary against


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